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Introducing “The Other D” and Denver Guys… or, “Menver”

Menver: a nickname for the city of Denver, because of the belief that men outnumber women drastically…

From urbandictionary.com

I never wanted to write about Denver-specific items in this blog.  I don’t want my readership to be limited because of living in what people who don’t live here tend to think is:

  1. a cowtown
  2. really cold and snowy
  3. in the middle of the country and therefore patently uncool

For those of us who live in this progressive, and (again, don’t tell anyone) sunny, mild-wintering city, we know how cool “The Other D” is.  I call Denver “The Other D”, because the other important “D” of my adulthood is Detroit, “The D”, and “Menver”, as you’ll see, is just a gross misrepresentation of Denver.

I’m changing my tune on writing about The Other D because I have facts, figures, and recent legislation on my side telling me Denver is hot, our problems are worth talking about, and, frankly, people should care. Yes, I’m referring to the fact that over 200,000 people moved to Colorado between 2009 and 2010 (over 89,000 of whom relocated to the metro-Denver vicinity, with 20,000 to Denver proper).  And yes, Denver is the number one destination for Millennials.

And yes, of course, I’m really talking about the fact that Colorado has legalized recreational marijuana. New York Times reporters are having near death experiences in our fancy hotels, people.  Denver is on the cusp!  We’re almost cool, I think!

You do smell copious weed when you’re walking your dog here, and I do live among dispensaries called “Dr. Reefer” and “Chronic Wellness”.  These are exciting times.  Or, very relaxing, depending on how you choose to experience them.

While all Denverites bemoan the influx of people to our city: creating shade, driving up rents, and causing the construction of high-rise apartment buildings with names like “Line 78” (WTF?), more conservative parties ponder the long term effects of legalized recreational pot.  As a Denverite with a fairly good deal on my rental who enjoys an edible every once in a while, I choose to bring a more insidious scourge to light than low vacancy and high rent (can’t last forever), slow sandwich makers, and spaced out parties taking forever to order in bars.

My first “The Other D” post must focus on the growing incidence of Denver Guy Disease. I’ve been using this delineator frequently in personal conversations and have been urged by my community to go public with my findings.  No one is immune to “Denver Guy Disease”.  It affects people who were raised here (Colorado “Natives”) as well as those who are new in town.

What’s Denver Guy Disease?  Well, it’s all around you in the Mile High City.  In fact, you probably notice Denver Guys (the ones who have it) all the time when you’re driving: they’re running shirtless on the creek path or appear magically in the bike lane next to you. You may inadvertently swerve as you’re taken surprise by their rampant daytime sexiness.  Multiple auto accidents are narrowly avoided daily because of these guys, and that’s not the only reason they’re a threat to public health.  You don’t even have time to wonder how they’re out jogging while you’re on your lunch break eating chips you spilled in your lap.  Let’s face it: Denver guys are extremely foxy.  You can’t miss them, especially because they take off their shirts so much.

If you’re single and dating, you can identify “Denver Guys” with the following clues:

1)    You can’t see their faces in any of their profile pictures online, because they’re always wearing helmets, face warmers, and/or sunglasses.

2)    In their online dating profile, what they’re looking for includes, “if you have an Epic Pass, it’s a major plus” or “I moved to Colorado to enjoy the many outdoor activities it offers. Looking for a lady who wants to do the same.” They likely feature photos of them holding a sign on top of a fourteener.  (For non- Coloradoans, climbing “fourteeners” is a thing here, and means getting up really early to hike up a really tall mountain.)

3)    A Denver Guy may cancel your first date because he’s stuck in traffic on I-70; he made the date but tried to get in a few runs at Breck before he drove down to take you out tonight.  And he cancels via text.

4)    A Denver Guy may claim to be an entrepreneur but manages to disappear to the ski resorts every Friday (why it took a month to schedule your first date that he cancelled) and go to yoga every day.

5)    A Denver Guy’s Instagram feed may be a string of selfies… where he is shirtless, with his shirtless bros in the background. Somehow Denver Guys are always out and about, but they obviously have time to work out even when it’s not ski season.  Instagram photos may be accompanied by some condescending motivational speak like “Life is meant to be lived, so get outside!”, or even a quote from Jack London.

6)   It’s unclear how Denver Guys make time to date though they’re on Tinder.  A Denver Guy’s profile may contain a motivational phrase or quote similar to the ones mentioned in reference to Instagram.  His main photo may be a view of his rippled back muscles as he hangs off a rock.

Living in Denver as a single lady, you may relate to these experiences:

1)    You can’t seem to meet anyone when you go out (other than couples, other women, gays, or guys under twenty five), but that one time you took the gondola up Snowmass Mountain on Labor Day you saw like three hundred hot mountain bikers and understood the meaning of Menver.  I.e., Menver is the mountains!  Because that’s where all the Denver Guys go every weekend when they’re cancelling your date.

2)    You accidentally went to a climbing gym once when you couldn’t find the laser hair removal place and had the same experience as on the gondola ride.

3)    You have posted a Craigslist “missed connection” for someone you ran past at Wash Park. You never see guys like this at the bar unless you’re in Summit County.  And then you get asked out by four of them in the same night.  Of course you don’t live in Vail and they’ll never come to The Other D.

4)    Somehow the “Denver Guys” are the only ones you’re really attracted to, because they make the normal guys look so out of shape.

5)    You date men with ridiculously fit bodies, therefore you always feel fat.

6)    You manage to have sex with a marathoner and are compelled to run faster than you ever have.  It’s like you absorbed some of his athletic essence.  You feel alive.  You wonder what would happen if you drank his blood.

It’s not just single women who are affected by “Denver Guys”. You may be experiencing things like this if you’re in a relationship:

1)    You suggest doing something on a particular weekend, say, the one four to five days from now. Your boyfriend’s response is “well, we can try, but if the snow’s good, I’m not going to be able to go.”

2)    The only thing your significant other plans is buying his ski pass for the following season.

3)    Quality time together consists of sitting in your car on I-70 in traffic; when you’re on the mountain he’s just zooming down in front of you or abandoning you completely to ski or ride triple diamonds.

4)    You rarely see your live in boyfriend, as he spends most evenings in the climbing gym, and weekends anytime it isn’t freezing or precipitating hanging off a rock.

5)    You’ve cohabitated for years, and while purchasing real estate has never come up, your boyfriend’s gear collection alone would cover a down payment.

6)    A lot of arguments about how much time you’re not spending together end with him saying “I thought you liked to ski/ride/climb/run!”

And don’t forget about fishing.  Apparently there are a lot of anglers out there too, and that’s an activity that must be done far from the places women like to hang out, for the most part.

In synopsis, Denver Guys are so interested in partaking of the myriad adult playtime activities available in the Mile High and vicinity (we’re not limited to extreme sports here) what is most important is the bro and the lifestyle.  The relentless pursuit of that lifestyle supercedes all else.

Denver Guy Disease affects more than the men who have it (and really, I can’t see any negative effects to the Denver Guys themselves other than possible permanent bachelorhood – they won’t know until it’s too late).  Denver Guys affect the women who love them too.  I’m sure there’s a female equivalent – and I’m not sure if an outdoors-obsessed woman would be a nightmare for a Denver guy (conflicting sports maybe?) or his dream.  I’ll never know.  Because I’m not that girl.

So, all my Detroit players who have heard the “Menver” stories… listen to me before you pack up your black leather and vinyl.  Yes, there are tons of hot guys here, and Yes, you can have sex with them, and it can be amazing, and you may end up feeling like you somehow cheated gravity and time and working out harder than ever for several days afterwards.  But having a relationship with one of these tasty numbers is just as hard as it was with drummers back in the D.  Denver Guys are the new musicians.

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Bakers Get All the Girls or “A Tale of Twentysomethings from Pre-Smartphone Detroit”

I read this NY Times article today:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/15/fashion/before-the-web-hearts-grew-silent.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0&ref=modernlove

and was reminded about a post I’ve been wanting to write.  I think it’s obvious I enjoy nostalgia.  Sometimes when my own life is happening I can’t believe it, and those are the memories I retreat into years later when I want to retaste what it felt like for things to be really new.

In 2003, I was a new Detroiter.  A transplant from Los Angeles that really blew everyone’s mind.  For example: “you moved here from L.A.?”  Now they’re starting to understand after the storm of post-2008 Detroit media about how cool it actually is, ruin porn and all.  The film incentive took effect just as I moved away in 2008, and all my friends were seeing Ryan Gosling at karaoke.  SO unfair.

My dark years in Los Angeles had almost turned me into so many things I didn’t want to, or wasn’t ready to be.  First, the wife of a tough guy, and second, a woman who only had her career and whose biggest accomplishment was owning a Jag (for the record I’d never buy a Jag, but I’m speaking from observation).

I knew what I wanted to be.  Truly – I wanted to be a rock star.  But I’d take the next best thing: being friends with rock stars.  I wanted to party.  I wanted to pretend I was living in certain parts of “Please Kill Me”, specifically in 1975-1978 New York.  So, I did the obvious thing and moved to Detroit, where I could pretend, with much cheaper rent than where I was living in L.A., or where I’d come from in the modern era New York.

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If you read this book there’s a stronger than average chance we could be friends.

The epicenter of what I was looking for, at age twenty five, was at the Magic Stick.

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My roommate bartended there, which felt like a huge gift from the universe.  I got to go to many shows free… and I did, alone at first, while I tried to gather friends from my jobs and my solo excursions.  After the Electric Six show on New Year’s Eve, Jack White was holding hands with Marcie from the Von Bondies as the room emptied.  This was a huge deal in “Fell in Love with a Girl” legos video Detroit (for me).

I don’t remember exactly how I met the Modern Dancer, but I know it was in front of the Magic Stick.

I don’t remember if he took my number or gave me his, or exactly what our first date was.

I remember these things.

1) The Blackout of 2003.  My roommate and I were driving around the corner from our house, probably on our way to go someplace we could shower.  The Modern Dancer (“The MD” for short) drove by with a beautiful black woman in his car.  I was deflated.  I think at this point he just hadn’t called me or something, we hadn’t even had a date.  But I was 25, inexperienced, and obsessive.

2) One date, we sat in the backyard of the Old Miami, a notable Cass Corridor dive bar, with the MD’s friend.  The MD was discussing his DUI.  He was 26.  I can’t remember if this was the night that the friend hit on me or not.  But that happened too.  I was so confused by that.  ”I’m kind of seeing someone,” I said, hoping he’d figure out what I meant.  Later the whole scenario made more sense.

3) Vivid memories of this night… I’m hanging out with the Modern Dancer. I don’t remember what we did except for going to a party at the house across the street from me (the MD and I lived blocks from each other, where everyone lived, in Woodbridge).  I was wearing the navy blue mesh skirt to my Rocawear basketball cheerleader outfit (yes, you read that correctly), a white tank top, and Adidas Top Tens.

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I mostly listened to hip hop at this point in my existence.  I just got rid of those Adidas a few months ago (they always pinched my toes).  We got stoned, and the girl that lived at the house suddenly fainted.  All the stoners panicked.  The Modern Dancer said “I have some gauze at my house!”, jumped in his Escort wagon, and rushed the few blocks to his place.  Unsure of what to do in a houseful of strangers on their way to the emergency room, I walked across the street and back home.  Eventually, the MD showed up on my doorstep.  My neighbor, who had promised me a turkey burger hours before when it was close to dinner time, showed up after midnight on my porch where The Modern Dancer and I sat talking.  ”Oh my god, I cannot eat that right now, I am way too high” I said.  What I meant was “I already ate, it’s not dinner time, and I am about to get it on, pothead style, with this flexible guy on my porch.”  She seemed very offended.

4) Big, important point about The Modern Dancer.  He did not have a cell phone.  I had a cell phone with an 810 area code, as name checked by Marshall Mathers in “8 Mile”…

“and I can’t even say I’m from Motown, cause I’m back in the 810 now!”

The Modern Dancer did not have a long distance plan.  He could not economically call me.  Therefore, he would show up at my house on Tuesday nights.  It happened on Tuesday… frequently, once we slept together.  Though we only slept together a handful of times over the three months we dated.  I asked a friend what she thought of it.  ”You’re the Tuesday night girl!” was the resounding response.

5) Everyone I knew in Detroit – and these were all new friends, mostly my neighbors, but as I mentioned everyone was connected – would say, “Oh, you don’t want to date that guy!” when I mentioned the MD.  ”Why, why?” I’d ask desperately, but no one would give me a straight answer, until finally one of my neighbors said something like “I’ve heard he’s a player.”  I found this really difficult to believe with our sad record of having sex, even though another friend suggested the MD had had sex with someone else besides me in the same day, ruining him for me on several occasions.  This began my attempt to go out every night in an effort to catch him with another girl.  No luck.

6) The Modern Dancer worked at one of our neighborhood’s hot spots – an organic bakery in the Cass Corridor.  A friend of mine was dating a somewhat notable graffiti artist (who ended up in jail, causing her an extremely high phone bill and a lot of stress).  I told him about the MD on my townhouse duplex porch.  ”Oh, bakers get all the girls, he said.”

7) It finally came down to a night we were out and another girl showed up.   She was overly touchy with the MD, and I believe we were hanging out with her ex-boyfriend also.  I don’t remember if I specifically asked him about her, or about other girls, but I got it out of him that night.  I stood naked in my bedroom telling him “you knew I wasn’t that kind of girl!  I’m a one man woman!”  A few weeks before he’d asked me, “hey girl from around the way, how around-the-way are you?” and, thinking I understood this question as a listener of junior high era LL Cool J, I’d explained my stance.  When I asked him the same question, his response was something like “I’m not nearly as skeezy as I used to be”, which I took to mean we were exclusive.  So this relationship was pretty much my education on dating in your twenties, after the two serious relationships of late college and early graduation.

Even after we “broke up”, I had some interludes with the MD.  I’m not sure how we ended up being friends, but I went to the sauna with him on more than one occasion.  He’d show up… it was probably Tuesday, and I’d go get naked in a sauna with him.  ”I covered my nuts so you’re not uncomfortable” stands out in my mind.  My ’20s were so romantic!

We may have made out after one of these sauna occasions.  I know there were other sleepovers, though I don’t think we ever had sex again.  In fact, I strongly remember a sleepover when we definitey did NOT have sex.  Like REALLY didn’t have sex, if you know what I mean.  I was also dating a 22 year old white rapper at the time, so I was learning.  That seemed like a huge age difference then; I was turning 26.  I do remember, when I was dating the MD, that he gave me a ridiculously awesome massage and I fell asleep until the next afternoon.  So that was my fault that time.

Anyway, even after the “kind of” lying and the sleeping with other girls around sleeping with me, I still have fond feelings for the MD.  Romance with him had a delightful element of surprise.  I was trying to track him down.  I remember the humiliating moment when I realized his phone had caller ID (oh the times I’d called without leaving a message… in a row), but even in a small community, I had no way to interstalk him in 2003.  There was an article in the Metro Times about one of his performances.  That was the only way I could see a picture of him when I was thinking about him.  No yearbooks.  No Facebooks.  The MD rejected “Friendster”.

Eventually, I knew more people and got to the point of being embarrassed about this guy I’d been completely enamored with.  Apparently I had become really cool.  A few years later, I finally saw him dance.

Then I was really over it.

When I think back to my 25 year old self, I was so inept at everything other than chasing boys and social climbing that I don’t know how I managed to pay my rent or prevent from dying.  I love having money and loving myself, but I miss those times.  Especially land lines and the mystery of waiting for someone you knew was out there to show up.  God, it was miserable.  But so much more exciting than a text.

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Striking a pose in an empty dance club in 2003.

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